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Author Topic: Rolling back the drug war in Sth America  (Read 707 times)
JasonMckerra
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« on: August 29, 2009, 05:50:21 am »

Argentina's Supreme Court has struck a massive blow for personal freedom, basically accepting the argument that every libertarian has been making on drugs for years now, personal freedom that does not hurt others!

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BUENOS AIRES – Criminal penalties for possession of drugs for personal use are unconstitutional, Argentina’s Supreme Court ruled Tuesday, overturning the convictions of five people who were arrested with several marijuana joints.
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The judges based their ruling on the Argentine Constitution, which establishes – they said – that “each adult individual is sovereign to make free decisions about the lifestyle he or she desires without the state’s being able to interfere in that ambit.”

“It is not acceptable to penalize private conduct that does not cause danger or damage to third parties,” the decision said.
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There is heaps of coverage at google news.

At the same time there have been interesting developments in Mexico:

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Late last week, the Mexican government, trying explicitly not to call too much attention to what it was doing, decriminalized the possession of very small amounts of illicit drugs. Not just marijuana, which is subject to a possession limit of five grams, but the whole kaboodle: cocaine, methamphetamine, LSD, even heroin.
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The idea is to cut into demand by treating addicts as potential treatment clients rather than criminals, to fight corruption among the police by taking away one of their major tools for shaking down the poor and marginalized, and to concentrate resources on organized crime.


It feels like there has been a sudden outbreak of common sense!
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2009, 10:55:54 am »

Hurray for Argentina and Mexico!

Let us work to help this be the beginning of the much feared "domino effect" that will ripple around the world defunding crminals and freeing people.

That said, where does our republic stand on this?
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2009, 11:25:36 am »

No official position, perhaps we could adopt one in the Senate  Wink

In the past the Principality of Lavalon had a law legalizing marijuana, which could be seen as rather absurd seeing as there was never a prohibition on anything!

Perhaps our new constitution should include a clause inspired by Argentina's, guaranteeing the freedom to do what you please so long as it harms no third party.
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2009, 02:31:18 am »

Excellent news indeed and a good thing it is happening when the USA is verging on insolvency. Just image the invasions that could be mounted if the feds in the US had any money to spend on the 'war of drugs'.

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2009, 02:06:55 pm »

Argentina isn't a major supplier of the US market, so even if the US was cashed up and George Bush was at the helm, an invasion would be less likely. But Mexico standing up to the United States on drugs, this is an interesting development.

The drug war in Mexico (literally being fought on the streets, and the police and military look outgunned) creates some interesting power dynamics. America can hardly afford to remove support for the current Mexican regime, no matter what policies it adopts. The sheer risk of overflow into the United States locks them into supporting ANYTHING that will reduce violence in Mexico.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2009, 03:50:16 am »

Update here.

The "overflow", as you put it, from Mexico into the US has been slowing down considerably as of late due to the (gasp) lack of job opportunities here.

With that pressure easing off, will the US reassert itself in the "drug war"?  Let us hope not.  Let us hope that the Mexican people demand that their government (pretend that they have a functional democracy for me, ok?) decriminalize all aspects of the drug trade: production, possession, sale and export.  (With reasonable government requirements for quality, honest advertising and obviously a little tax to go with it*.)

Within 24 hours of such laws passing in Mexico there would be drug stands a few feet from the border in plain view of any American journalist with a camera, and the blood in the streets (of Mexico) would stop.

Then what will the USA do?

I predict it would first experience horrific revulsion in the press, and then capitulate and either turn a blind eye, or follow suit.

* This is another evil for another thread.

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2009, 12:13:57 pm »

Well, by overflow I didn't mean immigration so much as the violence in Mexico spreading into the United States.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 08:57:25 pm »

The situation in certain parts of Mexico is very bad.  Some of it has spread over into the United States, but only around the border region.  Still, Phoenix, AZ, I have read, quite to my surprise, is the #2 kidnapping capital of the world, because of the drug gangs.  #1 is Mexico City.  I don't think the drug war is a driver to the rise in violence; gang culture has probably more to do with it.
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